Napa Valley Burger Battles..Calistoga!

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The Weekly Calistogan featured our competition recently:

Burgergeddon' heats up

Hydro Grill's dubbed best burger in Calistoga; can Alex conquer Napa Valley?
Thursday, July 15, 2010

There’s a new battle being waged; not over oil, or gold, land water or between the sexes, it’s a grilling competition to create the best known burger — yes, that’s hamburger — in the Napa Valley.

The first shots were fired May 31 in St. Helena. A second skirmish followed at the Vermeil Wines/OverTheEdge Winery tasting room on Lincoln Avenue July 7.

Although it’s customary for businesses, especially diners, to compete for customers, now the stakes are higher. The winner will become the well, burger king of wine country. Call it Burgergeddon,  Burger Wars, a burger smackdown or rumble. Whatever the label, also call it fun.

“I belong to a wine tasting group of friends and we like to meet and critically taste or examine wines from all over the Napa Valley,” said Martin Reyes, a wine buyer for St. Helena Wine Center on St. Helena’s Main Street.

“One day some of us got into a discussion of where to get a really good burger,” Reyes said. “We were in St. Helena so we decided we’d all pick up a burger at a different place, cut them up and start tasting them, looking for different things about each we liked or didn’t like, and the idea for a blind tasting of burgers throughout the entire Napa Valley was born.”

That was May 31, Memorial Day, the last official day of National Hamburger Month.

Reyes said that first tasting was not blind. “It was very unscientific, no real rules, extremely informal but for the official burger tasting we  use the same critical judgments we’d use when tasting wine.”

Except they would be judging contestant’s buns, their meat patties for size and texture, the overall presentation and the savory appeal of the meat.

“I love nice buns,” said Kymberlie Avila of Araujo Estate Wines, one of the judges at the July 7 Vermeil tasting. All the women made some kind of comment on the importance of buns.

The male judges, however, were a little shy about such commentary, perhaps unfamiliar with the imagery in the context of comparing food.

The nearly two-hours tasting put the eight judges to the test. Chomping away were Reyes, Avila, Mary Sue Frediani of Vermeil Wines/OnTheEdge in Calistoga, Jacquelyn St. Martin of Barnett Vineyards in St. Helena’s Spring Mountain District, Jeff Blaum of St. Helena’s Chase Cellars, Becky Tyner of Small Lots Big Wines of Napa (a concierge service that pairs visitors with boutique wineries), Jeff Matuszewski of LocalWino.com (an online guide for purchasing Napa County wines) and Antonia Quast (not related to owners of the Roman Spa.).

“The judges are all highly trained to evaluating tastes and the finer qualities of wines and the foods they’re paired with,” Reyes said. “Quast is an especially nice element on the panel of judges. She was raised in Texas on the country’s second-largest dude ranch and anyone raised on a dude ranch knows their beef. She’s also a master of wine candidate so she’s intimately familiar with both.”

A contest made for Wimpy

Popeye’s pal Wimpy would have gladly paid on Tuesday to taste these burgers today.

During the nearly two hours of tasting burgers and washing them down with some of the best local wines, the judges were heard remarking on the spicy meat of one burger, or how he or she loved, love, loved, the deep fried pickle on another, or that the next one was so juicy it should really be eaten while wearing a bib.

“When you see a lot of napkins being used, that’s a good sign because you know the burger is really juicy,” said Frediani.

After unhinging her petite jaw to get around mystery burger number four (which later turned out to be a burger from All Seasons Bistro), St. Martin held up the remains of the burger to comment (when her mouth was no longer full).

“This is an all-around, well-integrated burger,” she said, then laughed at using commentary she had previously only used when savoring fine wine.

“This one is overpowered by the heat of the spices in the meat,” insisted Avila about burger number five, a comment followed by muffled agreement from most of the others.

Eight giant burgers from the start, they tallied up their scores and the best were picked.

The top of the pile belonged to the overall winner of the night’s tasting — a burger cooked up by the chefs at the Hydro Grill, owned by Alex Dirkheising and Gayle Keller. The burger was a grilled patty with mozzarella fresca, a pesto mayonnaise with crispy prosciutto and grilled red onions.

Calistoga Ranch’s beef quality and seasoning landed it second place overall.

The All Seasons Bistro burger pronounced “an all-around, well integrated burger” by St. Martin came in as the third-place winner.

There were two additional categories — one for the best buns, earned by Brannan’s Grill, and the other for “guiltiest pleasure,” a euphemism for the greasiest, runniest, most decadent pile of grub. The latter came complete with features all the judges loved, a deep-fried pickle and grilled red onions, and it was created by award-winning chef Brandon Shape of Solage.

“We’re really excited about the judge’s choices,” said the Hydro’s Keller. “With our burgers we wanted to build a burger from the wonderful ingredients that are available now in the garden, like the red basil and the sweet red onions.

“Napa Valley has a reputation for great chefs who make everything great, not matter what they do,” she added. “With our reputation for incredibly expensive wines, I think it’s wonderful that our chefs can also produce something very basic and make it great, even if it is a burger. It’s a beautiful contrast.”

St. Helena tastes offered surprises

In the St. Helena tasting, the burger creations, according to Reyes, ran the gamut from the nostalgically-styled Gott’s Roadhouse classic, to the robust, rich hit from Market and the gourmet brilliance that is Cindy’s Backstreet’s own.

In the end, the best-scoring burger came from the Silverado Brewing Company. Unfortunately, a miscommunication resulted in the Brewing Company cooks preparing an ultra-delicious lamb, rather than beef, burger. But who’s arguing,  a score is a score and they received the highest score that day. When the dust settled the AKA Bistro entry dominated the mostly-beef lineup.

Martini House roped in a second place spot with its Kobe spartan.

And much to the surprise of six judges and probably over half the town of St. Helena, Go Fish earned a solid third place.

Although it did not score in the top three, Cook received the most “my favorite” votes.

“Goes to show that, just like wine, sometimes scores don’t always tell the whole story,” Reyes said.

Battle heads south

Now officially known on its Facebook page as the “Napa Valley Burger Battles,” the burger wars will head south with the next tasting, scheduled for July 28 in the Yountville/Rutherford region. The exact venue is yet to be announced. There, the best burgers from Rutherford and Yountville will be selected. After that, it’s on to Napa in August. The final showdown, the Burgergeddon, the burger smackdown, is tentatively scheduled for September to decide who gets the best-burger-in-the-Napa-Valley bragging rights.

Details of the final event are still being ironed out and the public may be asked to pay to attend, to help defray the cost of providing burger samples from the top Napa Valley finalists, Reyes said.

“I think the competition is genius,” St. Martin said after the tasting. “What is better than a burger?  The quest for the best Napa burger is probably one of the most fun things I’ve ever done.

 


written by Martin Reyes

On May 31st, Memorial Day and the last day of the little-known “Burger Appreciation Month,” a small group of hungry gatherers met at St. Helena Wine Center with only one thing in common: a deep love of burgers. They were to become eight judges on a valuable mission; their course set by a simple man with a simple question. “Which restaurant makes the tastiest burger in St. Helena?” Together, they ate, wrote, debated and decided…. Together, they found the answers to life’s most meaningful question. This is their story.

 

At 5:00pm the judges convened. Within exactly half an hour, a steady progression of fresh burgers from eight different St. Helena restaurants arrived and filled the shop with dizzying aromas of beef, bun and cheese. Each restaurant showed up precisely 10 minutes apart with two burgers, giving ample time to slice, serve, and evaluate the entries. A quarter-slice from each burger was served hot and fresh in front of every judge, who blind-tasted and scored on several categories, including presentation, bun, meat seasoning, toppings, etc… The participating restaurants in alphabetic order were: AKA, Cindy’s Backstreet Kitchen, Cook, Go Fish, Gott’s Roadside, Market, Martini House, and Silverado Brewing Company. Unfortunately, Press was closed and Farmstead was unable to participate.

The judges were not alone of course…. two indispensable assistants, locals Tracy Smith and Danica Sattui were on hand to slice, dice and set the course of the night. Additionally, the evening ran smooth and easy with the vinous presence of 2007 Chase Cellars Zinfandel and a new project by Martini House’s wine director Rob Renteria, 2005 Analog Napa Valley Red. The wines were served appropriately enough, in GoVino drinkware.

Around the table, the judges sat debating the finer points of burger artistry. The voices heard were: Organizer-judges Becky Tyner, founder of Small Lot Big Wines, St. Helena Wine Center’s wine buyer and host, Martin Reyes, three respected wine industry professionals including James Matuszewski, owner/founder of Access Wine Group and Localwino.com, Jeff Blaum, GM at Chase Cellars famous for his epic food & wine events, and Joseph Perulli, founder/genius of Govino drinkware, and a man who is everywhere and nowhere at once. Culinary guru-judges on-hand were French cooking school-trained Becky Spencer, creative force behind Urban Preserves, Corrie Beezley, a personal chef and proprietor of “The Farmer’s Market Pantry”, and Patrick Clark, Chef-Instructor at Culinary Institute of America.

By 6:40pm it became apparent that choosing a winner would be difficult. Every single burger had a strong support and every one deserved it. From the nostalgically-styled Gott’s classic, to the robustly-rich hit from Market, and the California-gourmet brilliance that was Cindy’s Backstreet’s very own. In the end, however, the highest-scoring burger came from Silverado Brewing Company, but due to a miscommunication, they brought their ultra-delicious lamb burger instead of beef. Nevertheless, a score is a score, and they received the highest one that day. When the dust settled however, it was none other than AKA Bistro, with an ambitious take on their own already-delicious entry, that dominated the mostly-beef lineup. In second place comes local favorite Martini House, with a no-nonsense Kobe-beef spartan that was almost too good for words. And to the surprise of six judges and probably over half this town, Go Fish (I know, right?) rang thru third highest with a delicious entry. Lastly, in an unusual twist, thought it did not score in the top three, Cook received the most “my favorite” votes. Goes to show that, just like wine, sometimes scores don’t always tell the whole story?

The assumption is there, but it’s worth mentioning that “St. Helena Burger Battle” could not have happened without the enthusiastic support and burger donations from these eight, stellar restaurants. The stakes may be low-key fun, but there was justifiable pride and clear talent in every single burger vetted that evening. Our town is replete with world-class chefs and culinary creativity; for that, everyone is grateful. And yet, the journey does not end there…. In June, the organizers will move the competition to Calistoga, followed up by a mid-valley turn in July, a central Napa sha-bang in August, and finally, a public competition pitting the highest scorers against each other where the public will be the final arbiter and the winner of Napa Valley Burger Battle is decided. Hungry yet?

 

 



Sibling Rivalry, Napa Syrah vs. Sonoma Sryah.

 The third tasting in our series was all about Syrah.   Syrah doesn’t really face a challenge with geography as much as it faces the challenge of recognition.  While people clamor to fill their glasses with Cab, Zin, Pinot, or Petite Sirah, they often bypass Syrah.  We hope that this Sibling Rivalry not only helped everyone discover new and wonderful wineries in Napa and Sonoma as much as it helped people discover how delicious and wonderful Syrah can be.

We pre-judged 20 wines.  The top 5 Napa Syrahs and top 5 Sonoma Syrahs  made it to the judges’ table at the event held at Roadhouse Winery in Healdsburg where we had a panel of 8 talented judges.  The  top Syrahs to make it to the judges’ table are:

1.       1. Bradford Mtn  (2nd place!)

2.r  2.  Reynoso

         3. Astrale E Terra

         4.  Cutt

         5.  Acorn

        6. Bonneau  (First Place, judges favorite!)

         7. Gann

         8. Paradise Ridge (Third Place!!)

         9.  White Rock

         10.   Gamble

 The results of the tasting, were as usual, mixed, proving once again that both Napa and Sonoma make fabulous wines.  However, this time,  both the public and the judges chose a Napa wine as their favorite, though it was not the same wine.  The highest scoring wine from the Judges was Bonneau.  Bonneau is a Sonoma producer, however the grapes come from Hyde vineyard on the Napa side of Carneros.  The 2nd highest scoring wine was Bradford Mtn, Sonoma, and then came Paradise Ridge, making 2 out of the top three Sonoma grapes .

 We had some awesome girl power this time at the judges’ table starting with Linda Trotta, former winemaker for Gundlach Bundschu  and owner of Teresina Wines, makers of delicious Zin (especially the ’08).  Linda, along with many other judges, scored Bonneau the highest.    Although a Napa grape, it was made by a Sonoma producer.    Which makes sense since Linda is a Sonoma winemaker living in the Napa Valley.

We were pleased to have Lynn Wheeler on board.  Lynn is the better half of  Hobo Wine Company, a wine company that includes three labels, Hobo,  Banyan, and Folk Machine.    Lynn gave Bradford Mtn, which can be found at Cellars of Sonoma, a near perfect score.   But veteran Sibling Rivalry judge, Jil Child, of Wine Tours of the World, gave an even nearer perfect score to Reynoso, a winery in Alexander Valley.  Thus far, this is unprecedented in Sibling Rivalry history just proving how nearly perfect a wine Syrah produces!   Jil opted to answer the challenge questions we give the judges just for fun. She was one out of only two  judges who  could blindly guess any of the ava’s. In this case Jil easily recognized the taste of Carneros in the Bonneau.

    The other judge who was able to blindly taste terroir is another Sibling Rivalry veteran and founder of Simple Hedonsims, William Allen. Even more impressive is that William, was able to pick out something as intricate as terroir when he had a cold.  William gave his highest score to Gamble Family, which is a Napa producer.   

    James Matuszewski, founder of Local Wino,  has not only been a judge at all three Sibling Rivalries, but he has made it to every pre-event judging session except one.   All this blind tasting has definitely honed James’ blind tasting skills, he answered the most questions correctly in the judges’ challenge, excelling as usual with barrel program and blend.  James has learned something else through this series, he loves Sonoma! He gave Bradford Mtn his highest score.

     New comer, Christopher Vandendriesshe,  family member and winemaker for White Rock Vineyards in Napa, stayed true to his Napa roots. His top two were Cutt and White Rock (very rarely do winemakers actually pick out their own wine), both Napa producers. 

    Newcomer winemaker David Sundberg, of Byrd Vineyards in Mendocino and Diamond Oaks in Napa, scored Bonneau and Gamble Family the highest, giving him a napa palate.

    Last but not least we were very please to add Daedalus Howell.  Daedalus is as colorful as his name, using his wit and clever use of the English language when writing his own blog or as a wine writer for the North Bay Bohemian and Sonoma Index Tribune.    Daedalus was, as he puts it, “quite smitten” with Paradise Ridge, and who wouldn’t be?  Paradise Ridge not only looks like Paradise but they make great wine as well.  However, his top three scores, all with the same score, were Bonneau, Cutt, and Gann.

         For the public we had 20 wines.  Here are the wines:

 1.  07 Mounts (S)

2.  07 Reynoso (S0

3.  07 Muscardini Gracie’s Creek (S)

4.  06 Black Cat (N)

5.  05 Paradise Ridge (S)

6.  07 Cutt (N)

7.  06 HdV (N)

8. 06 Gamble Family (N)

9.  04 Broman Cellars (N)

10.  04 Astrale eTerra (N)

11.   '05 White Rock (N)

12.  07 Bonneau (N)

13.   07 Muscardini Unti (S)

14.   07 Acorn (S)

15.   07 Roche (S)

16.   06 Mayo (N)

17.  Ahnfeldt (N)

18.    Gann (S)

19.  Tin Barn (S)

20.   Bradford Mtn (S)

The top three wines from the public were White Rock Vineyards of Napa, Cutt of Napa, Bradford Mtn, and Paradise Ridge tied for 3rd..  The Super Secret Stash, which was well received, was Renard Kick Ranch Syrah, a Napa producer using Sonoma grapes.

As usual, there are always mishaps and mistakes with our tastings.  We are learning as we go.  One thing that is missing are my notes from the public results, so once again I don’t have the overall female and male favorite. However, should those notes turn up we’ll be sure to post those results on Twitter and Facebook.

We are taking a break from Sibling Rivalry for a few months.  We plan on returning late June where we’ll do a battle of Rieslings. 

 

Cheers!

 

    


 

    Thanks to Andrew Healy and his brilliant scoring method, we were able to release the results of the judges scores early on at the Sibling Rivalry: Napa vs. Sonoma Cab event on Sunday, Feb 21.   The highest scoring wine was a Sonoma wine, Stryker Sonoma.  The two second highest scoring wines were Rutherford Grove and Ehlers Estate, both from Napa.  However, just because a judge scores a wine high, it does mean that it is their favorite.  Two wines tied for judges favorite: Rutherford Grove and Stryker Sonoma, with Ehlers Estate coming in as a second favorite.

    The judges judged the ten top scoring wines out of the 30 cabs that were submitted.  The top ten wines are below, starting from the wine in first place:

  Stryker  2006 Alexander valley  (Sonoma)

  Ehlers Estate 1886 '06 (Napa)

  Rutherford Grove 2005 Estate Cab (Napa)

  Simi Reserve '06 (Sonoma)

  Emery ‘06 (Sonoma)

  Kristian Story's '06 Rhapsody (Napa)

  Burly '06 (Napa)

  Harvest Moon '06 (Sonoma)

  Kokomo '07 (Sonoma)

  Broman Cellars '04 (Napa)

 

     By analyzing the scores and spending time with the judges, both at the event and before the event, I was able to learn some interesting things about them.    Not only did I learn a thing or two about the judges, but James Matuszewski, founder and owner of LocalWino.com, learned something about himself.  He loves Sonoma Cabernet!  James is the only judge who tried all 30 of the wines that were a part of the competition.  While James thoroughly enjoyed the Napa Cabs, I often heard him comment, "That was Sonoma? I liked that one!" 

    We brought on some girl power this time around, starting with Antonia Quast, wine consultant, Master of Wine student, and owner of The Princess Grape.  Antonia joined us for 2 of the 3 pre-event judging sessions.   What I learned about Antonia is that she is a total Napa Cab girl. She likes her wine big, complex, and truly seems to appreciate and understand the price of Napa cabs. Rhapsody was her favorite.

    William Allen,  creator of Simple Hedonisms and advocate of everything that is Sonoma wine, stayed true t his adopted hometown by giving Stryker Sonoma his highest score of the night.

    Jil Child, sommelier and founder of Wine Tours of the World, has a Sonoma palate.  Her top three wines were Stryker, Emery, and Simi

  Not only did we have girl power, but we added a member a "millennial," Lee Robustelli who works for Dominus Estate.  Don't let her youth fool you, Lee has a very good palate.  She scored Harvest Moon the highest though her favorites were Rutherford Grove and Ehlers Estate. 

    Sandrew Montgomery has a palate that just likes good wine, no matter where it comes from.  He gave Rutherford Grove his highest marks, but right behind Rutherford Grove was Simi Reserve.  Then came a Napa wine, then Sonoma, and so on and so forth.   Stryker was his favorite, however.

   Michael Meade was much like Sandrew Montgomery, spreading his scores evenly between Napa and Sonoma.  He scored Rutherford Grove the highest, but chose Kokomo as his favorite of the night (of the judges wines).

     The public tasting consisted of 30 wines, including the top ten judges wines.     Napa wines won.  Out of 15 tables, they won 8, Sonoma won 5 and 2 tied.  However when it came to the blue ticket (the ticket used to vote for your favorite wine overall) Napa was the clear winner.  Out of 79 tickets, Napa cab won 51 of the tickets with over half the tickets being given to the top four wines.  The top ten wines for the public {(#) indicates number on brown bag}, starting from the one that received the most blue tickets are:

Kristian Story's Rhapsody '06 ~ (19)

Charbay '05 ~ (4)

Bourassa's Symphony '06 ~(15)

Titus '06 ~(27)

Super Sonoman  '05~(30)

Stryker Sonoma '06 ~(5)

Ehlers Estate '05 ~ (6)

Rutherford Grove '05 ~(3)

Sciandri '06 ~ (29)

Ty Caton '08 ~ (25)

The 30 wines that participated are listed below with their corresponding number from the brown bag:

1 Ceja '07 (N)

2 Hawkes '05 (S)

3 Rutherford Grove '05 (N)

4 Charbay '05 (N)

5 Stryker  '06 (S)

6 Ehlers  '05 (N)

7 Fountain Head '05 (N)

8 Harvest moon '07 (S)

9 Casa Nuestra'07 (N)

10 Windsor Oaks '05 (S)

11 Burly '06 (N)

12 Michel Shlumberger '05 -S

13 Tudal '07 (N/S)

14 Frias Family '06 (N)

15 Bourassa Symphony  ‘06-N

16 Kokomo '07 (S)

17 Windsor Oaks '06 (S)

18 Simi Landslide '06 (S)

19 Kristian Story Wines '06 (N)

20 Chateau St. Jean '06 (S)

21 Emery '06 (S)

22 PB HEIN '05 (N)

23 Mayo '07 (S)

24 Astrale e Terra Arcturus (N)

25 Ty Caton '08 (S)

26 Broman '04 (N)

27 Titus '06 (N)

28 Simi Reserve '06 (S)

29 Sciandri '06 (N)

30 Super Sonoman '05 (S)   


ZAP!

Posted by: Becky

ZAP!

 

I happily attended the Grand Zinfandel Tasting at the ZAP festival on Saturday.  Fort Mason was brimming with sunshine, excited zinfandel fans, taxi cabs waiting in line, taco trucks, grass skirts, leis, tribal masks and wine overflowing in two buildings.  A-G in one, H-Z in the other.   We were on the hunt for small wineries with great zin.  ZAP didn't disappoint!   I handed out quite a few business cards, hoping at least a few will be interested in Small Lots Big Wines.  We're here to serve the small wineries, but they have to want it!

Glass in hand, our first stop was to get a loaf of bread and some Smart water.  This is why I carry a purse!  This is also why there are breadcrumbs stuck to the bottom. *sigh* 

The first thing we notice is how nice the workers are.  Maybe it was the Hawaiian theme?  Smiles abound as we work our way towards the tables.  The noise was deafening.   After sampling many tables, we snuck outside to hear something other than the roar of thousands of people talking.   The picture below shows zin lovers from building H-Z taking a noise break and enjoying the view.  That's the famous island of Alcatraz you see in the background, AKA- The Rock.  You can almost see Sean Connery swimming to freedom!

Even though this event was crowded with people, it was very well spread out.  The wait for a pour, if any, was minimal.  There was plenty of cheese, bread and water.  Lots of spit buckets!  Well, you know how it is, not everyone dumps and/or spits.  Towards the end there were a few people that could barely walk- but most people seemed to be taking their zin in stride!

I had a lot of fun running into my ex-con friends.  Don't worry, although Alcatraz is a short swim from Fort Mason, I'm referring to ex-Constellation employees. Many I found at small wineries - Kathy and Rebecca were manning the SideJob Cellars booth.  SideJob has a wonderful Dry Creek Zin, C-5 - it's named after Jeff's corvette, the one he had to sell to start his "side job"

I got a big kick out of what some wineries call their zins- here is a sample of more:

Plungerhead

Fly by Night

Powder Keg

Big Bad Wolf

InZinerator

The Devious Woman

Zinzilla

Oblivious

Liar's Dice

Controlled Chaos

Explozin

Smuggler's Son

Por que no?

Twisted Sister

ZaZa Zin

My favorite novelty item was Saddleback's "Barrel Program-Wine by the Glass" - for $52 a gallon, you get a stainless steel barrel ($200 refundable deposit- like getting a keg of beer) you get the delicious, smoky 2008 Napa Valley Old Vine Zinfandel.  Well, I think it's for restaurants only, but wouldn't it be cool (and green!) if the general public could get those too!

Continuing on, we tasted, dumped and kept our wits.  We talked to, hugged and dodged a fair share of fellow zin lovers.

I was happy to see a lot of producers that were in our Sibling Rivalry event, especially because we were so busy at our event we didn't get a chance to taste all the wines.  Ballentine, Benessere, Downing, Fontanella, Kokomo, Moss Creek, Peju, Saddleback, SideJob, Tin Barn, Tofanelli, Woodenhead and Z-52.  

I also stopped at Nichelini's table.  I love their zin, and the history of this winery, the oldest family owned, continuously operated winery in Napa Valley!  I got married there years ago, thanks in part to Toni Nichelini-Irwin.  I didn't realize that she had died earlier this month. So with a few tears in my eyes, I drank a silent toast to a great woman.  I hope someone has written down the history of how her grandfather produced wine through prohibition.    The winery won't seem the same without her, but her dedication and love of the winery will be felt in those old walls.  Next time I go there I'll still hear Sinatra, Dean Martin and all the great music she played in the cellar. Cheers Toni!

Other then my sad moment and my parking ticket, the day was a complete success.  Oh, except for the comment from A------ Winery (owner) that saw my sticker and said "Media!  There sure seems to be a lot of you guys around here, must've been a cheap ticket."   Well, I told him we probably paid what he did to get in. I doubt he'll be joining our website JGeesh, you try to do something nice and that's the thanks you get!


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